LAST CALL: Get your tickets for At Work by 11AM - Atlanta
tastylive logo
Exiting Straddles - Jun 9, 2015 | Market Measures
Find out why the statistics show you should never use a stop loss order!
Video Player is loading.
Current Time 0:00
Duration 0:00
Loaded: 0%
Stream Type LIVE
Remaining Time 0:00
 
1x
  • Chapters
  • descriptions off, selected
  • captions off, selected
      Market Data provided by CME Group & powered by dxFeed Technology. Options involve risk and are not suitable for all investors. Please read Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options before deciding to invest in options.
      Market Measures

      Exiting Straddles

      Jun 9, 2015

      We normally discuss what to do with our winners when trading straddles. Today, Tom Sosnoff and Tony Battista examine possible trade exits when the position goes against us. Tom and Tony said that they have received many emails on the subject of closing straddles. Tom said, "We understand the managing winners side, now were going to discuss the managing losers side. When you sell a straddle, one side is going to be in the money right up front."

      How much is our win rate affected when applying an exit rule for naked options?

      How much room should we allow a losing trade to go against us?

      Is there an optimal exit point for exiting a loser?

      Selling straddles has benefits for the short volatility trader:

      1) Positive Theta

      2) Short Vega

      3) Large Credit = Higher Potential Profit

      4) Flexibility of Management

      5) Less Commissions

      But these benefits aren’t free. Here are the primary cons to selling straddles:

      1) Higher BPR = Lower ROC

      2) High Vega Risk

      3) Possibility of large losses

      Tom explained, "We've studied a lot about managing winners for the last three years. We've created a lot of statistics around managing winning trades. When it comes to losing trades we found that the optimal exit point on losers is 2X the max profit. We (Tom and Tony) have a tendency to not follow that rule because we carry a lot of positions and stay small. The difference between 1X, 2X,3X, 5X is not that much to us."

      Tom added that their studies have shown that for strangles we "manage our winners" at 50%. On straddles we manage our winners at 25%. The net profit is larger using the same amount of buying power. That being the case, at what point do we take off a losing straddle?

      The Study:

      SPY, GLD, TLT, EWW, IWM, 2009 - Present

      Sold ATM Straddle, 1st of the month Closest to 45 DTE

      Exited trades at:

      Expiration or Loss equal to 0.25x, 0.50x, 0.75x, 1x, 1.25x, 1.50x, or 2x of the credit received

      Of the 378 occurrences, 186 (49% of the trades) never got to a 25% credit loss. Tom was amazed at this high percentage. Of those that did, how many reached or exceeded each of the pre-determined exit points?

      Takeaways:

      As we incrementally increased our loss limit, we saw a +15% win rate while only giving up 0.59% of profits

      The highest win rate was seen by waiting the longest, 2x loss or expiration, but this also resulted in the largest loss as well

      This video and its content are provided solely by tastylive, Inc. (“tastylive”) and are for informational and educational purposes only. tastylive was previously known as tastytrade, Inc. (“tastytrade”). This video and its content were created prior to the legal name change of tastylive. As a result, this video may reference tastytrade, its prior legal name.

      More like this

      tastylive content is created, produced, and provided solely by tastylive, Inc. (“tastylive”) and is for informational and educational purposes only. It is not, nor is it intended to be, trading or investment advice or a recommendation that any security, futures contract, digital asset, other product, transaction, or investment strategy is suitable for any person. Trading securities, futures products, and digital assets involve risk and may result in a loss greater than the original amount invested. tastylive, through its content, financial programming or otherwise, does not provide investment or financial advice or make investment recommendations. Investment information provided may not be appropriate for all investors and is provided without respect to individual investor financial sophistication, financial situation, investing time horizon or risk tolerance. tastylive is not in the business of transacting securities trades, nor does it direct client commodity accounts or give commodity trading advice tailored to any particular client’s situation or investment objectives. Supporting documentation for any claims (including claims made on behalf of options programs), comparisons, statistics, or other technical data, if applicable, will be supplied upon request. tastylive is not a licensed financial adviser, registered investment adviser, or a registered broker-dealer.  Options, futures, and futures options are not suitable for all investors.  Prior to trading securities, options, futures, or futures options, please read the applicable risk disclosures, including, but not limited to, the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options Disclosure and the Futures and Exchange-Traded Options Risk Disclosure found on tastytrade.com/disclosures.

      tastytrade, Inc. ("tastytrade”) is a registered broker-dealer and member of FINRA, NFA, and SIPC. tastytrade was previously known as tastyworks, Inc. (“tastyworks”). tastytrade offers self-directed brokerage accounts to its customers. tastytrade does not give financial or trading advice, nor does it make investment recommendations. You alone are responsible for making your investment and trading decisions and for evaluating the merits and risks associated with the use of tastytrade’s systems, services or products. tastytrade is a wholly-owned subsidiary of tastylive, Inc.

      tastytrade has entered into a Marketing Agreement with tastylive (“Marketing Agent”) whereby tastytrade pays compensation to Marketing Agent to recommend tastytrade’s brokerage services. The existence of this Marketing Agreement should not be deemed as an endorsement or recommendation of Marketing Agent by tastytrade. tastytrade and Marketing Agent are separate entities with their own products and services. tastylive is the parent company of tastytrade.

      tastycrypto is provided solely by tasty Software Solutions, LLC. tasty Software Solutions, LLC is a separate but affiliate company of tastylive, Inc. Neither tastylive nor any of its affiliates are responsible for the products or services provided by tasty Software Solutions, LLC. Cryptocurrency trading is not suitable for all investors due to the number of risks involved. The value of any cryptocurrency, including digital assets pegged to fiat currency, commodities, or any other asset, may go to zero.

      © copyright 2013 - 2025 tastylive, Inc. All Rights Reserved.  Applicable portions of the Terms of Use on tastylive.com apply.  Reproduction, adaptation, distribution, public display, exhibition for profit, or storage in any electronic storage media in whole or in part is prohibited under penalty of law, provided that you may download tastylive’s podcasts as necessary to view for personal use. tastylive was previously known as tastytrade, Inc. tastylive is a trademark/servicemark owned by tastylive, Inc.